Comments on: New Deal fraud technique: “exiting”

By: Flexible New Deal

Flexible New Deal — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:04:10 +0000

I would say its widespread as in all providers use it however I doubt it is that popular at all providers (however as fraud goes its likely more popular than fraudulently claiming job outcomes probably slightly less than timeshee fraud which I think is the overall #1 fraud of New Deal).

As i said providers dont get payment for the weeks someone attends… they get the full amount regardless how long someone spends there with the exception of the client exceeding absences where they would only get partial payment.

Like Andy… We co-founded Ipswich Unemployed Action which mentioned about YMCA Training on the IUA blog and on his own personal blog, YMCA Training didn’t like it and they wanted revenge they did so by exiting Andrew hoping his benefits would be terminated and be receiving a sanction.

As YMCA Training has to justify their reason, after browsing both blogs non-stop they found one phrase… “Storm Dencora House!” and dismissed him under Health & Safety reasons…

I would like to make it clear that in the 30 minutes or so he was there which was solely an isolated chat as he was summoned out of the room by a Manager i.e. so wasn’t of danger to any course participants.

The phrase is a weak argument to support the illegal exiting however Jobcentre Plus were fine with it.

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By: Andy

Andy — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:41:14 +0000

Is this really widespread? I have been through New Deal and Employment zone twice. I have never once encountered someone who has been exited. If u don’t turn up for appointments, are threatening to staff or violent you have been stupid enough for your benefits to be taken away.

Illegal exiting I think is just an urban myth. My heart does go out to Mr Coates though(if he was actually illegally exited). I have my own opinions about the case which I want to keep private through fear of being villified

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By: Ipswich Unemployed Action

Ipswich Unemployed Action — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:16:44 +0000

Sorry links aren’t allowed. Nice try though.

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By: New Deal fraud: the techniques used to rip off the taxpayer « DWP New Deal Scandal

Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:36:59 +0000

[...] Exiting fraud [...]

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By: New Deal: The TRUTH Exposed! « Ipswich Unemployed Action.

New Deal: The TRUTH Exposed! « Ipswich Unemployed Action. — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:18:50 +0000

[...] Deal prime contractors have been defrauding the system since it began, the techniques include:exiting: Dismissing a participant to ease overcrowding or because they are almost exceeding their allowed [...]

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By: Simon Rogers

Simon Rogers — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:19:47 +0000

I am not surprised. You sitting around doing nothing all day bored out of your head. Dismissed for being lazy and not contributing (the reason they give you).

Actually being dismissed to ease overcrowding by giving the reason as severe threatening behaviour that could harm other participants. Of course you dont get to read that.

No chance of an appeal.

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By: New Deal fraud technique: “leeching” « DWP New Deal Scandal

New Deal fraud technique: “leeching” « DWP New Deal Scandal — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:05:59 +0000

[...] permission to contact any future employers, by threatening dismissal if they decline (see “exiting” fraud [...]

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