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- Acknowledging that regardless of the actual period of time the New Deal participant spends on the course they will get the full amount for the entire 13 weeks, unless they exceed their absence limit where they wont
- Short listing those who appear not to be able to make the entire 13 weeks or those who are close to exceeding permitted absence limits to be dismissed – those who seem likely to “drop out” will not award provider with Job Outcome bonuses thus are surplus to requirements and those that are close to the limit regardless of being in their rights and not committing an offence are likely to become a liability to limit the amount projected to be received.
- Acknowledging that the Jobseeker cannot appeal or prevent being dismissed, has no rights to find out the reason for dismissal or have a chance to put right/get a second chance, and that it takes immediate effect.
- Short listing random people for dismissal to ease overcrowding of training centres
- Making false declarations under oath of a disclaimer claiming reasons for dismissals as rather severe (misconduct, Health and safety concerns etc.) all being lies, knowing that the Dismissal Form has a sole purpose of helping a Decision Maker impose sanctions on a jobseeker, who doesn’t get to see such a form.
- Tell the Jobseeker verbally an entire different story (such as due to attitude, not contributing enough etc.) consisting of rather mild reasons, so when he or she becomes required to give reasons why the training course ended or appeals to a decision of benefit sanctions, the jobseeker merely complains about something irrelevant to the actual stated reason and becomes sanctioned as a result.
- When a Decision Maker writes to the Training Provider, the training provider delays the reply so when the Decision Maker writes to the Jobseeker, he or she doesn’t get a copy of the answers provided as the system is intended to do.
- Now that the people were exited – the training providers profit margins further reach the projections.
… is known as “exiting“.
This is probably the largest most widespread fraud in the New Deal system.
Unlike blatantly one persons handwriting pretending to be several employers this type of fraud is much harder to detect. As there is no independent appeal or place to complain to that will listen – this type of fraud can only really be detected with participants involvement.
An major example of the illegal act of “exiting” fraud is with YMCA Training (who coincidently don’t have planning permission) and a client called Andrew Coates, who started a New Deal course and was exited after just 30 minutes (yes YMCA Training receiving payment for 13 weeks) for an alleged incident that occured weeks before he was even there.
Jobcentre Plus were very happy with YMCA Training’s decision of stating the reason as Health & Safety.
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I am not surprised. You sitting around doing nothing all day bored out of your head. Dismissed for being lazy and not contributing (the reason they give you).
Actually being dismissed to ease overcrowding by giving the reason as severe threatening behaviour that could harm other participants. Of course you dont get to read that.
No chance of an appeal.
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Sorry links aren’t allowed. Nice try though.
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The best information i have found exactly here. Keep going Thank you
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Is this really widespread? I have been through New Deal and Employment zone twice. I have never once encountered someone who has been exited. If u don’t turn up for appointments, are threatening to staff or violent you have been stupid enough for your benefits to be taken away.
Illegal exiting I think is just an urban myth. My heart does go out to Mr Coates though(if he was actually illegally exited). I have my own opinions about the case which I want to keep private through fear of being villified
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I would say its widespread as in all providers use it however I doubt it is that popular at all providers (however as fraud goes its likely more popular than fraudulently claiming job outcomes probably slightly less than timeshee fraud which I think is the overall #1 fraud of New Deal).
As i said providers dont get payment for the weeks someone attends… they get the full amount regardless how long someone spends there with the exception of the client exceeding absences where they would only get partial payment.
Like Andy… We co-founded Ipswich Unemployed Action which mentioned about YMCA Training on the IUA blog and on his own personal blog, YMCA Training didn’t like it and they wanted revenge they did so by exiting Andrew hoping his benefits would be terminated and be receiving a sanction.
As YMCA Training has to justify their reason, after browsing both blogs non-stop they found one phrase… “Storm Dencora House!” and dismissed him under Health & Safety reasons…
I would like to make it clear that in the 30 minutes or so he was there which was solely an isolated chat as he was summoned out of the room by a Manager i.e. so wasn’t of danger to any course participants.
The phrase is a weak argument to support the illegal exiting however Jobcentre Plus were fine with it.
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